azurelunatic | EEEEEEEP. !!!!!

Meep kafreep gleeple? Murrraouw?

*loved* yay for *loved* !!!

Dreamt of Darkside last night (though it wasn't the "him" that's in your usericon). This had the feel of mostly just dream with brief glimpses of dreamlink.

[dream] I met you in a small dumpy kind of room... reminded me of a college dorm room... you turned and intro'd me to him. He and I started yakking about Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Klingons, and other random bits. You didn't contribute much (don't know why)... mostly you sat there and looked bemused at our chatterings. At one point, he brought up religion and we started discussing fine points of the Christian religion... we looked to you for comment and [dreamlink] you got up and mumbled that you felt like a third (fifth?) wheel. And as you turned to leave, he grabbed your hand and pulled you back down on the couch next to him.[/dreamlink]

So as we sat there talking, he reached over and grabbed my hand (was still holding yours) [dreamlink] and said, "Isn't this nice?" You snickered and said, "The Three Stooges." [/dreamlink]

Somehow I don't think that I was ME during the dreamlinks... (I don't know who I was) but I know I was me the rest of the time because of what I was thinking during the dream bits. And Darkside was not the literal IRL Darkside.... he didn't act like the man you describe and he didn't look like the man you describe but he WAS Darkside (if that makes any sense).

I don't presume to intrude on your friendship with Darkside... I'm just reporting the dream as I remember it... with the dreamlinks thrown in where they seem to be right.

Let me know what you think... this was a tough call.

I remember that I "knew" it was him because in the dream, I knew his real name.

DezzAaA???

Do tell :D

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GHGIGIGHGHIIIIII!!! YEEEEP!

Actually sounds a lot like the "public" him.

Were you, during the dreamlink points, by chance, a schoolmate of ours? Somewhat older than us, perhaps married, and a Christian Practitioner of Magic?

I honestly don't know who I was... but I'm guessing by the sequences that felt dreamlink-y that I wasn't me.... because of some other things that happened in the dream that I'm not sure I wan't to talk about. heh

Christian Practitioner of Magic

Such a creature exists???

Ah.

Um, yes, actually. My friend Dawn is, Darkside is, the fiancee of a dear friend of mine is...

Study of the Qabala (or however the writer chooses to spell it today) is perhaps one of the most well-grounded and well-organized systems of magic that I would introduce a beginner, regardless of faith, into. It's the Hebrew mystical system, and Jesus was likely a Practitioner of it. I regard the Divine Forgiveness via His sacrifice as his Lifeworking.

Basic overview: All Divine Power comes from God the Unknowable (God == infinite, human == finite; infinite cannot truly be comprehended by the finite, and you'll fry your brain if you try). The aim of the mystical side of the system is to recognize, cherish, and purify the divine energy within oneself, often spoken of as "to attain knowledge and conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel" or "Higher Self", to "Know one's own True Will".

I can't speak for how Darkside, Dawn, and E. map it, of course, but that's my take on it.

My own philosophy is some funky/weird blend of Jewish/Wiccan, with the social overtones that follow when you're raised by a Liberal Quaker dad. I label myself "Eclectic Wiccan" because that's easiest for randoms to understand. Gods know what I would be more accurately labeled as; four of the Manifestations in my personal pantheon are Raven, Eris, Lady Light, and Lady Dark.

I believe that Jesus the Christ, whether His existence was actual or not, whether the stories are true or not, is a Manifestation too powerful to be ignored by me, and that His Intent was that others should emulate Him; merely taking the forgiveness and not doing my part to take upon myself my share of the cleanup would be a violation of my Guardian oath.

The two are compatible when all power used for magic (magic being defined as "things happening in a way that modern Western science can't explain") comes of God, and is used in accordance with the Will of God.

*blinks*

*nonplussed*

Huh.

*blinks*

*processes*

Well.

THAT certainly caught me unawares. In my world, "Christian" and "magic" (in the way you mean Magic) are not readily amalgamated in the same sentence. At least, not with a positive spin. Witness the "Christian" outcry against Harry Potter et al.

I did not think it was possible to be BOTH... and one in all and same. *mutters*

I guess my world just got a bit bigger today.

Which explains why Darkside and I have sat so many mornings happily tossing balls of energy back and forth at each other.

In any properly conducted system of magic, "magic" and "prayer" are very, very similar.

*boggles*

You are REALLY messing with my brain... pattern of thinking is completely derailed.

Blame it on my ignorance, but I did not think a pagan (eclectic or not) would tell me that magic comes from God(s) used in accordance with the Will of same.

Yah, blame it on my ignorance... *shakes head*

(BTW, sorry for the duplicate comments, LJ is messin' wit' me also)

Many educated pagans will not have a problem with the concept. Many uneducated pagans (the ones who are Wiccan 'cause they saw it on Buffy and Buffy's all cool and stuff) will have Huge Problems with the concept.

I recognize my inability to know the True Nature of God(s).
I recognize the presence of a Divine Power greater than I am.
I recognize the right of the Divine Power to appear in forms that I can get a half-assed chance at understanding.
I recognize that since I do not occupy the same spacetime position as any other being, I will have a different frame of reference from them.
I recognize that since everybody else is different from me, the manifestation of the Divine to them is going to look somewhat different from mine.
I recognize the underlying similarities in my view of the Divine to that of other people.
I recognize the essential need of the world and universe to be in a state of balance.
I recognize that the Divine has a better idea of what "balance" is than humans do.
I recognize the human Will to be Stupid as my essential Enemy. ("Entropy needs no forms but our own to do its will." --Spock's World, Diane Duane)
I believe that humans can and should exist in equal harmony with themselves, nature, technology, and the Divine.
I accept my responsibility to be an agent of Balance, whether through order or disorder.

And then there's people like me. I'm a Unitarian Panentheist. I believe that everything is a part of the Divine, and that the Divine has a Will that manifests in everything, including archetypal thoughtforms some call "Gods". So I can say I'm a Christian, or a Buddhist, or a Pagan, or whatever, and be completely correct each time with no conflict.

Of course, if I'm a Christian, then I'm a Universalist Anti-Pauline Heretic.

Dragon

Holy shit.

I'm completely flummoxed.

When discussing theology with a person who identifies herself as "pagan," one (such as I) expects to disagree with said pagan's argument. One does NOT expect to AGREE with what should clearly be pagan beliefs... "Pagan" (i.e. non-Christian... i.e. believing such things is sacriligious).

The fact that the line is blurred... nay, not blurred but INVISIBLE...... non-existent.

I'm...... *shakes head*

*confused*

*wrinkles brow*

I'm having a difficult time assimilating this into my current schemata. This may take some time.

GIVE IT UP, CHICKY! SPILL! ^_^

Still not coherent.

...Take a wiiiiiild guess.

When he goes off in "social" mode (chattering about tv, movies, and so forth), I get silent. It just happens that way. Chattering like that is one of his more guarded phases, sounding out a stranger. When he goes on guard, so do I.

All I can think is that he said, ILY.

April fools.

Oh, and? Regarding the phone call from Darkside? April fools.

Hee hee. April fools.

Good guess, very good guess... and April fool!

I guessed at that! :-)

It's why I made no other comment other than Yay for loved because it's always YAY for loved regardless of pranks or no!

Yay for loved.

He's a silly and he's my best friend and he's a sweetheart. And it would be very out-of-character for him to call me and make declarations of adoration.

Instead, I call him, and he talks around what would be declarations of adoration in someone else.

Heh. When I read the post, before I clicked on read comments, I was half-ready to ask *you* if he was April-fooling YOU. :D

Well, depending on how you define 'magic', my fiancee is. She's Christian, she is whom I refer to as my Prophet, (our Deity seems to have dubbed us their Priest, Priestess, and Prophet: Chris, me, and E, respectively, for that we all belong to the same One, of sorts...I cannot say more, exactly) and she is a touch-healer. I'm teaching her shielding, and energy-manipulation. What is magic, but will-directed energy? Therefore she is a Christian magic user. :D

Hee.

I decided to at least half-attempt at Fooling you by summoning the appropriate emotions for if he actually had called before writing the post.

My cellphone is, in fact, inactive at the moment, so there's no way he could have called.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Of course, if I'm a Christian, then I'm a Universalist Anti-Pauline Heretic.

*laugh*

Aren't we all? ;)

Hey, I go to church and don't cover my head, that's enough for Paul. *grin*

*nods firmly*

Exactly.

At least, when I was having doubts a couple of weeks ago, I ended up coming to the conclusion that if what I had experienced recently was false, so was everything I had ever experienced from God.

And since my underlying assumption about the nature of the world is "what my God tells me is true, is true," I could not process that and remain sane.

Thus, it's all true. My experiences are and were valid, and were from the will of God.

Yes. I reject the conversion of Paul. I think it wasn't God's voice but his own deviousness that said "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

I could tell you were, in fact, giggly. I knew it had not happened, though, because you would have been...less giggly-fun and more calm-peace-awe. It would be a *very* serious thing on both your parts if it comes to that. And he would *not* actually use that for an April Fool's joke, so my being half-ready to say that to you was a joking in and of itself. :)

I knew it! I knew after the petri thing that you were fooling. :-P

Oh?

Drat, and I was trying so hard...

I would be utterly knocked on my ass, and so, I think, would he.

Besides not wishing to joke about that, he knows that if he ever hurt me, his ass would so be toast...

EEEEEEEP. !!!!!

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