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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2003-07-23 03:21 pm

Interesting. (mind-management)

[livejournal.com profile] garnetdagger's post about being sorry about unnerving [livejournal.com profile] wibbble has turned into quite the discussion.

Latest interesting thing: of course I use my journal for backing up my mind in case of an utter system crash that requires a recompile.

...Just one of those things that I of course know, but have to remind myself every now and then, as it's something so basic, so elementary, that sometimes I forget about it. ...I back my mind up lest I forget. All these state-captures, and files...
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-23 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing what the word 'recompile' is used for there is interesting.

It's not the terminology I would've chosen. I'd say 'rebuild', rather than 'recompile'. You can recompile the kernel on a functioning system if you want to add extra features (like drivers for new hardware), or apply security and bug fixes. Assuming that the new code doesn't break anything, all it requires is the compile process, and a reboot, and everything should work as before.

[identity profile] crisavec.livejournal.com 2003-07-23 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm...Interesting discussion.

[identity profile] swallowtayle.livejournal.com 2003-07-23 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Very interesting discussion!

I think that splitting of the mind is more common in our society than many people realize. We are taught to repress emotions or memories that are violent or scary in some way. This can mean that they go off in a corner and grow personalities for themselves while you are ignoring them.

I believe that many people who have splits are not aware of them.

There is also the "evil twin" theory of an opposite mind, which is different from a split because it was there from the beginning rather than being some kind of re-organization. Related to this would be the idea of harboring some kind of a separate consciousness (from some external source) in a symbiotic relationship.

In any case, I definitely agree that a split mind does not mean that a person is "crazy", and it should not be looked at as a disease. In fact, the extra stress from the social stigma attached to split mind makes the problem worse.
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-23 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Back when I was first looking into MPD, I found one summary which included this (paraphrased from memory):

Psychiatrists and psychologists are split on the frequency of MPD. Psychologists thing it's massively under-diagnosed, and perhaps 25% of the population (note: numbers, especially, are from memory) could be affected. Psychiatrists thing it's massively over-diagnosed, and that perhaps there's one or two cases in the world.

[identity profile] swallowtayle.livejournal.com 2003-07-24 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! That is something to add to my research list. The psychiatrist/psychologist split is always interesting... I would tend to agree with the psychologists, simply because I have met so many people who are split. Perhaps they are working with different definitions of the condition. I am sure that there are many variations of MPD, with differences in the degree of split, communication, sharing of memories, and the development of the separate units.
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-24 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's very different training you get.

I naturally fall in with the psychologists. The main difference, I feel, is that psychologists can't just prescribe happy pills and declare it to be all fine now. They have to actually find the roots of problems and fix them.

Are my biases showing? ;o)
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-24 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
*nods*

I think we all recompile, in that sense of the word. You pick up something new,, and integrate it into your system. New skills, new languages, new ways of thinking - these would equate to kernel patches that you'd need to recompile for.

Sometimes these things - especially the new ways of thinking - come from the 'alpha' kernel tree, or are just random patches. Sometimes those don't work right, and your kernel chokes on itself.

That would be when you'd need a rebuild.

I think... or have I just abused this metaphor too much? :o)
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-24 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
It's almost as much fun as the bad puns. ;o)

Yeah. The mind/computer analogy is important to me. I dunno if you were around when I made a big rambling post on the subject... it was some months ago...

[identity profile] swallowtayle.livejournal.com 2003-07-24 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Those would be the same as my biases, I'm afraid.

Although, I think that "happy pills" do have their place as a theraputic tool. Fixing problems takes time, and can be rather messy. Medication can help people maintain a higher level of function while they are getting help. Sometimes, and for some people, this is worth the possible negative effects. I do not think that we understand brain chemistry well enough to mess with it as much as we do.
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[personal profile] wibbble 2003-07-24 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods*

Oh, yeah, they have a place, but the problem is when medication is set as the entire treatment. This is fairly common here, where people who suffer from depression are given antidepressants instead of counselling.

My mother, for example, had trouble at work, and suffered from depression. More than five years later, long after those problems have passed, she's still on the antidepressants she was prescribed. None of the GPs at the local practise have offered her any help in getting off of them. As far as they're concerned it's perfectly acceptable to keep taking mind-altering drugs for the rest of your life for no reason.

Medication has a very important place, but it's an easy fix for lazy doctors and over-stretched healthcare systems.