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Whee, more LJ features! r69! Lest people not have caught on by now, this meta is brought to you by Azz-the-blogger, not Azz-the-LJ-volunteer. I have slightly mixed feelings about these features, but since it's given me something that I can use in a way consistent with my deepest darkest adolescent fantasies, I'm immensely happy.

(A lot of my online presence is explained by the fact that basically, I want to grow up to be Ariane Emory. Except without the taste for teenage boys, without the cancer, without the getting murdered, without the slave-labor society, without the family problems, and without the being a complete ruthless powerhungry unloving battleaxe things.)

If you have a Facebook account and want to comment on LJ, you can do that with Facebook Connect now. From what little discussion I've seen around, these appear to be treated mostly like OpenID accounts on LJ, which means that the accounts can set up their profiles and comment, but not post entries of their own (to their own journal or in a community), and (probably still) can't join communities. I have enough conflicting feelings about this that I am effectively neutral. On the one hand, it makes it easier for people on Facebook to interact with LJ, reducing the walled garden effect: happy social whee! On the other hand, it makes it easier for people on Facebook to interact with LJ, reducing the walled garden effect: oh god I may lock myself in my room and never come out again. On the gripping hand, it's here, and we'll manage to cope somehow.

If you have an OpenID or (shiny new) Facebook Connect account on LJ, you can turn it into a Real Account (http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=account -- http://pics.livejournal.com/marta/pic/000pg6pq). Not sure if this is documented yet, but people in Suggestions have wanted this for years, and I'm very happy they're getting it.

Link accounts to cross-post entries and/or comments to Facebook (http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=extensions):
I don't care for this and won't use it, because I keep my real name and my legal name separated. Mostly this does not concern me, because the connection is made in the LJ settings and is opt-in, rather than having Facebook assume that since I'm logged in to Facebook in this browser, it's perfectly OK to make the connection. This is why I'm not in sudden hysterics.

The part that I actively dislike about the sudden ease of interaction with Facebook is entirely down to the fact that I maintain a separation between my real identity (who I am when I'm at home) and my legal identity (the driver's license/paycheck/parent name). I use my real name on LJ and my legal name on Facebook. I do not link between my Facebook and my LJ, and I ask that my friends who know both my names keep the names separate based on place. But as more interaction happens between the sites, and as I get more overlap between my Facebook friends and my LJ friends, inevitably somebody's going to come in via someone else's Facebook link, see me chattering away in the comments, recognize me, and make the connection between the names. And it's going to be someone I would rather not make that connection. I am not looking forward to that day, but I also refuse to live in fear of it.

Link accounts to cross-post entries and/or comments to Twitter: I like this, I have it set up, and I'm using it. More about that after I describe it.

Once one opts in, by entering one's Twitter username in the thingy on the page http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=extensions, and then one ticks the checkboxes for whether this is done by default or not, for entries or comments.

If you don't opt in, none of your entries or comments are posted to your Twitter account. The link to the settings and the greyed-out checkboxes remain near the bottom of the comment form and when posting an entry, you know, in case you ever change your mind or get an account wherever. Until the Greasemonkey script so people who want to put it out of their minds can ignore it completely is perfected.

If you do opt in, but don't tick either of the boxes, nothing crossposts until you tell it to when making an entry or a comment.

If you opt in and tick the 'Publish my entries to Twitter by default' box, every public entry you post will go to Twitter with the first hundred or so characters and a link, unless you untick the box-on-the-entry at the time of posting. (If you post something locked, the box is unticked, but you can tick the box. If you do tick the box, your logged-in LJ friends on Twitter will be able to see the entry, but logged-out people and non-LJ-friends will just see Frank taunting them.)

If you opt in and tick the 'Publish my comments to Twitter by default' box, every comment to a public entry that you make will go to Twitter with the first hundred or so characters and a link, unless you untick the box-on-the-comment at the time of posting. (If you comment to a non-public post, the box is unticked, but you can manually tick it. If you do manually tick it and your Twitter account is viewable by people who are not the people who can view the entry, this does erode -- or actively violate, especially if you're top-quoting something they said -- the privacy of the journal owner. This is a greater or lesser degree of privacy erosion depending on exactly what you said, and the fact that there's now a link to a locked entry floating around that wasn't floating around before. Some of your friends are going to get mighty pissy at you if you do that shit.)

There is not a way to prevent someone else from posting a link to their comment in your space, except by advising your friends that this is not cool with you.

The main beef I have with this is not the privacy thing, because it's unticked by default on locked entries and most of my friends are not fucking idiots, but actually the tab order. It used to be comment subject, comment, submit. Now it is comment subject, comment, settings, (ticky 1), (ticky 2), submit. This is sort of not helpful, but it is also the sort of UI thing that can get fixed given some developer time.

How I'm using it: I've got a bit of a complicated dodge going now, that I actually just set up a few days ago for some other stuff. Followers of my Twitter account will see that I have a lot of Delicious links in there. I am also using http://readitlaterlist.com/ to manage my proliferation of tabs, which is ... actually doing more than I thought. Thanks,

afuna! And I do want to log the things I read, but not all of them are suitable for public linking, because of one or all of the following: too high-volume, too much like a recommendation of the link, because other people don't need to know that I was reading that. So I've set up a locked Twitter account, used Twitterfeed to connect the one to the other, and then Twittinesis to connect the other to the ... default entry security private secondary journal that I have set up for backups. :-P
So I just set up my main account here to deliver my comments to that locked-down Twitter account, so the backups will ship with comment links as well as massive, massive linkspam.
Why do I do this? Because Ariane Emory had a lot to do with how I set up my brain as an adolescent, and I work better when I'm able to store a lot of the less-relevant things elsewhere. Since my brain files fairly well on the "What day did I do X? It was sometime around Y, maybe Z..." and if I can find Y and Z, and I have a log that would include X that's date-sorted, I can go through the logs to then locate X.

[Edit: Now that I'm awake, I have heard about pingbacks leading to locked entries, and this is apparently a bug under investigation which you should file a support request for if it happens to you; I hope they get it fixed soon because that is worrisome.] Pingbacks! I love pingbacks. I was sorry when they went away the first time. http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=privacy This is only on-LJ, public entry pingbacks, and they're on by default unless you previously turned them off. [Edited to correct: this is opt-out, not opt-in.]

Pingbacks only apply between two public entries and two people who have pingbacks turned on.

If you don't have pingbacks turned on, you won't ever get the pingback_bot visiting your journal, and no-one else will be notified (at least, via the pingbacks, they may be using Icerocket or some shit) that you're talking about their entry in public.

If you turn on pingbacks, but the person whose entry you're linking to doesn't have them on, they don't get notified. (If they have it on and you don't, they don't get notified either.)

If both of you have pingbacks on, but their entry isn't public at the time of your entry, nobody pings or is pung.

If both of you have pingbacks on, and their entry is public but yours linking to it is not, nobody pings or gets pung.

As near as I can figure, if you post a link to a public entry, in public, but then you realize that OMG, that shit should not be public? It's a race against time between you and pingback_bot, and g-d and the ninja pirate monkeys guarding the servers only know who's going to get there first.

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Thanks for the link to Read it Later, this may be just what I need.

Thanks for the write-up. I have a correction. When I logged on, I got this message:

Pingbacks have returned. If you've previously selected a setting, it will be the same; if you've never selected a setting, it will default to Open (on). You can change your setting here.

So, if your account was set up after pingbacks went away, you will be defaulted to on and have to manually turn it off if that is what you want.

Thanks! I've edited.

That happened to me, and I've had an account for way longer than pingbacks.

Sorry to bug you, but I just got on and am very muzzy about what is happening. Changes! Overnight! D:

Do you have any idea why tags with a / in them no longer work? Such as Frank/Gerard, Brad/Ray, etc etc.

I don't know, but Trixie says that it's been reported to staff for investigation.

The more I think about this, the more I am realizing that my technical skill and already-automatically-in-privacy-mode way of life are not the norm, and that when used by normal users, it's as amazingly bad as it would be if they had put those "Share This" links on locked posts as well.

I think all these changes would be great for other people. I have no desire to let the vast majority of my friends on facebook know that I have this LJ thing, because it's full of stuff the vast majority of them don't know.

(A lot of my online presence is explained by the fact that basically, I want to grow up to be Ariane Emory. Except without the taste for teenage boys, without the cancer, without the getting murdered, without the slave-labor society, without the family problems, and without the being a complete ruthless powerhungry unloving battleaxe things.)

So, basically, nothing like Ariane Emory? :P As a side note, that book was confusing and interesting but I really need to re-read it some time, because it was too confusing for me to get in one reading :S And I want to get the sequel.

I want you to be able to clone my personality (well, at least some of them) based on my journals. Also my ability, if that actually turns out to be helpful enough to duplicate me.

I'm sort of vain, huh. :-P

I don't even have a facebook and that damned link makes me nervous. I somehow see it as a "publish nakid* pictures of yourself" button that can be accidentally pushed.

*naked=nude, nakid=naked and up to sumthin'

Thanks for posting this... and it looks like people aren't just overreacting this time, about the potential privacy breach. D:

I already have been posting much less to LJ in the past few weeks (partly because I haven't had much of substance to say, but also because I've been spending more time on Plurk)... and this isn't making me eager to post to LJ any more often. =P At least, not until they make it possible to opt out of (or better yet opt INTO, and make the default being opted out) allowing others to repost their comments to your protected entries to their Facebook and/or Twitter accounts.

This feature is virtually useless for me anyway, since I've never had a Facebook account (and have no plans to create one anytime soon), and I deleted my Twitter account last year because I hadn't used it in over a year (it became nigh unusable on mobile because of the added scripting).

Eh. I just wish there was a way to not show this stuff when you don't use connect, because the last thing we need is yet more buttons.

Thanks for pointing out that greasemonkey script, I hope it's going to work!

I'm amused that I opened the Read It Later link in another tab... to read later. :-)

(And argh, having the repost settings be before "post comment" in the tab order is pissing me off!)

Heh.. I use a metric ton of Firefox tabs on one computer, and Session Manager to make sure I don't lose any. :)

I'd reclarify:
nude = intentionally unclothed
naked = unintentionally/accidentally unclothed
nekkid = nude and up to somethin' :)

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zarhooie_dw referenced to your post from LJ + FB = eh. saying: [...] some people will not like it, and some people (like me) will try to ignore it. Azz has a good summ-up-ary over at her LJ [...]

Going on a tangent: Tagalog has a verb form for accidental/unintended actions.

I find that kind of delightful. :)

I've always made a point of avoiding Facebook like the plague, so am more than a little concerned about the fact that people are going to be able to crosspost comments they make on locked entries. I know that one should always take the fact that people can copy and paste flocked posts/comments into account, but doing that requires active effort/malice, whereas the new FB/Twitter thing requires nothing more than a little carelessness and inattention.

Not quite sure what to do other than freeze old posts and stick to making public fandom entries only in future.

And yet I've seen multiple reports of, and have experienced myself, pingbacks to flocked entries that I don't have access to.

linking this to my LJ, hope that is okay.

Now that I'm awake, I've heard about same. That is very worrying, and seems to be a bug rather than working as designed. Though I do wonder how many of them were unlocked for, say, 30 seconds.

OH JESUS FUCKWIT CHRIST, TAB-ENTER TAKES ME TO THE SETTINGS PAGE AGAIN NOW FUCK.

If you don't have a Facebook, it would be a "publish nakid/nekkid pictures of yourself" button that other people can accidentally push (for you).

*tip 'o the hat*
Thankee

I usually browse from my iPod Touch, and Safari only allows 8 open tabs. 8 tabs really isn't that many. Read it Later has already made my life a lot easier, I just love it.

Ahh. I casually browse on my Droid and my Blackberry, but do my main browsing from my laptop with Firefox--and I've had over 120 tabs open from time to time. Usual is 35-60 or so. :D

I'm fairly certain that these are old pingbacks making their way through the system, having been fired at a time when they *were* public. I got a pingback on an entry yesterday from a post that had been made almost two months ago.

And in at least one case I've heard, it turned out that the post was only locked because the user in question had locked all their posts this morning as a direct result of the privacy issue.

I got one sometime today on this very entry that goes to a locked entry to which I do not have access, although I would have no idea whether the entry was locked after posting.

These should be working again now :)

Oh, that's wonderful :)

Tab order in comments has been fixed. Thanks! :D

Totally OK! Glad it was helpful for you. I'm sort of appalled at how big this whole issue has blown up.

Okay, this means that my LJ is going into even more heavy-privacy settings than normal for the default. Of late, I'm cross-posting, with DW being my public blog, and the info getting repeated, heavily filtered and locked on LJ for those peeps who, for their own reasons, do not wish to get DW accounts and prefer to not mosey to DW to read about my life.

Livejournal is really starting to upset/scare me. Especially with my biological family having connections on Facebook, etc.

How much do those connections overlap with your LJ social circle, though? I have prepared a thoughtful graphic for the worst area of problem, in the case that someone is avoiding family.

Venn diagram showing 4 overlapping zones: LJ users, Facebook users, your friends, family friends, with the overlap between all four zones highlighted as most dangerous.

Err, so my biological brother is "friended" on Facebook and he reports directly to my father. And two family friends of childhood, who are friends in truth but I wouldn't tell them any of the big details I tell LJ/DW are on Facebook, but their dad is my dad's best friend and they might let things slip at home or Facebook might get seen by their parents and then it would certainly get back to my dad.

I have a plan of cutting almost everyone not LJ/DW off Facebook today (and if anyone asks, telling them I got rid of my Facebook account since it can't be found via search) and posting on LJ with a threat of SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH if anyone clicks those boxes on a comment in my journal. :D

But, do either the biological brother or the two family friends of childhood ever peer at the FB posts of we fish, and other LJ people who know you on FB?

Yes, they do.

That's a hole that won't be patched by you not having a FB account anymore, then.

They read the scrolling info on their FB walls. If I toss them off my FB account, it breaks the link, and they stop getting updates on their FB. I highly doubt they'd go to any trouble to follow me around the internet; they're not *stalking*, they're just reading what FB consolidates and offers.

I'm confused now. The problem people on FB are seeing stuff from people who are not you on their walls? But without following those people?

... Oh, right, the posts of your friends that are not-entirely-private, but that you interact with?

I don't know how to explain it very well. You know how when you log on to Facebook it drowns you in information about other people? Including snippets of *their* conversations on *their* walls and shit? *That* kind of stuff they follow. *That* kind of stuff is at risk. And that I can clear by terminating the Facebook friendship.

Fair enough :P And I would say bizarre rather than vain.

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