Fandom Question: Harry Potter

[azurelunatic]

Where did "theirloveisso..." originate?

Am having the idea that it started out as "theirloveissopure", somewhere, and spread, but bugger me if I know where/who, and which pairing...

Anyone?

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[liviapenn.livejournal.com]

I think "theirloveissopure" started out in popslash, actually. At least, that's the first place I remember seeing it.

[azurelunatic]

Thanks.

Do you know what pairing it was about?

[liviapenn.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm. I *want* to say Joey and Lance...?

[elina.livejournal.com]

Actually, it was Ms. silviakundera who became convince that O-Town's Ashley and Trevor's love was so very, very pure.

I think. I've tried to wipe my memory banks of anything having to do with O-Town, but I've only been partially successful.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

Actually, it was coined in LotRPS - it came from making fun of the people who truly truly believe that Dominic Monaghan and Elijah Wood are lovers. the "Purity" of their love is a huge point for them.

[azurelunatic]

That rings a very, very faint bell.

[liviapenn.livejournal.com]

*blink* I would almost be willing to *swear* I was seeing it in the pre-LOTR days... wow, strange how your memory plays tricks. Perhaps we should try tracking down the earliest reference anyone can find?

[azurelunatic]

This is fascinating.

[liviapenn.livejournal.com]

I'm glad you think so, given how this entry has exploded with comments. I love this stuff too. *grins*

[azurelunatic]

I just hope that etymology won't become mixed up with entomology.

thispostissonotinfestedwithcockroaches!

[overloved.livejournal.com]

I would like to second that Silvia did start it with those rats from Otown.

[elina.livejournal.com]

No, I'm sorry, theirloveisso... predates LotRPS.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

I've sent off a minion to Datalounge Anonymous to track it down - let's see if we can. I'm perfectly willing to believe it predates LotRPS, but I remember the huge wank about how Dominic and Elijah's love is "so pure", which was a real post, and how that immediately became theirloveissopure.

[elina.livejournal.com]

LOL - I'm scrolling Silvia's calendar even as we speak (type?).

RESEARCH UBER ALLES! *g*

[azurelunatic]

I e-mailed a BNF to see if they could put their minions on it.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

LOL! Ah, how we research-loving people show our colors. "Must... find... truth... about... meaningless... factoid..."

[callmesandy.livejournal.com]

I don't know if it's the first use but she used it right here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/silviakundera/293858.html) as the subject of her post and that's December 2001.

[elina.livejournal.com]

Aw, crappity, there's a "theirloveissotragic" reference the day before that one. Which means there's more etymology going on than we realized.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

ROFL! Can we ask Silvia where she got it, or if she coined it?

Thisphraseissoetymologicallycloseted!

[azurelunatic]

*snicker*

[elina.livejournal.com]

I've got a -sopure on 12/14/01 (http://www.livejournal.com/users/silviakundera/286118.html) and a -sotragic on 12/9/01 (http://www.livejournal.com/users/silviakundera/276602.html). sopure is Erik and Ashley, sotragic is Brian and Nick.

So, I think the phrase started in the crossover NSYNC/BSB popslash fandom, mutated into the -sopure version with Silvia and O-Town, and then spread like FIYAH! =)

[azurelunatic]

And epicyclical e-mailed me back and said: "My understanding is that it comes from the popslash fandom. I believe maybethemoon on LJ knows."

So. Off to ask.

[azurelunatic]

Aha.

[azurelunatic]

Overachievers R Us

[redshoeson.livejournal.com]

No idea, but I'd be interested in finding out. ^_^

[azurelunatic]

I'll post if anything interesting gets uncovered.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

Excellent. I wonder if we can actually find out how it made it from one place to the next, or not - it's like Patient Zero! Except people don't die.

TheirloveissonotlikeAIDS!

[moony]

Theirloveisso... definitely predates LOTRiPS, as one of the first people to write in that fandom. The phrase started back in Popslash, with the JoLa people, and was quickly adopted and applied to other pairings as needed - I can't remember if it was Silvia who coined it, or rather Em who was the JoLa queen at the time.

I think pinpointing the actual origins of the phrase might be impossible, but I am 99% certain it's a Popslash thing. And, since there are SO many ex-popslashers in the HP fandom, it's not surprising at all that it got carried over.

Hope that helps!

- Moony

[azurelunatic]

Yes. Thank you. :D

[liviapenn.livejournal.com]

Would it be the most unattractive thing in the world if I did the dance of I Was Right?

*does the dance anyway*

[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

I just found an old e-mail from Silvia in which she says she got it from the TWoP recaps of Making the Band (in which it was "Their love is so pure!", which she then schmushed together.

FWIW. :)

[moony]

Aha! Well, that settles it, ne?

I honestly thought it predated O-Town. Shows how much I know. Perhaps I was merely thinking wistfully of a world without Ugly Rats In Love.

(And you know, the sad thing is that I could have just picked up the phone and called Silvia and ASKED her, "Yo, where'd 'theirloveisso' come from?" but no, because I suck.)

:-D

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

Well, also according to Silvia, Bonibaru *swore* she'd seen it around before the Rats, so there you go.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out if I was actually the one who coined the acronym "RPS" or not ...

[moony]

When did the whole O-Town slash stuff happen? Because I had just got to Orlando when the theirloveisso... thing was really in full-force, and that was early-2001, but I could sweat I'd heard it before that. *hits head*

And I wouldn't be surprised if you were the one responsible for RPS. ;-) You deviant personality, you!

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

:p Well, before RS-X and all (this was early 2000), people always called it "actorslash", because the possibility of musicianslash didn't seem to occur to them. (Will spare you further theorising, but suffice to say the RPS and FPS worlds were very much separated back then.) The first handful of posts on RS-X still call it "real people slash" or "realpeopleslash", and I'm fairly sure I coined the acronym when I wrote the FMO.

I AM NOT A DEVIANT!

Oh, and O-Town? No clue, as I didn't get into popslash until late (like, late December) 2000, early 2001.

[moony]

I love the acronymns, man. Acronymns MAKE the fandom. Not to mention the great names people come up with for pairings. Current favoure: Snape/Tonks = Snonks.

You arrrrre a deviant. Deeeeeeeeviously so.

You got into Popslash just after I did, then, and the O-Town stuff was going on in mid-2001. My friends list was so scary.

[azurelunatic]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/maybethemoon/291814.html

[azurelunatic]

deleted and purged, dammit. :(

Popping over from <LJ COMM="theglossary">

[http://users.livejournal.com/_redpanda_/]

This SO rocks. I will have to link to it. :)

Re: Popping over from <LJ COMM="theglossary">

[azurelunatic]

Whee! All hail the mad powers of LJ research skills.

[truly-tintin.livejournal.com]

Hmm... I've seen variants of this, usually used in iconnery, but I think it stemmed from LotR fandom, and sent it's tentacles over into... oh, just about every other major fandom in the universe.

[azurelunatic]

A couple people actually tracked down what seems to have been the first appearance of it in the long threads above there. Scary!