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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2007-05-29 08:59 pm

All this insanity

I've been asked by people who I respect to not add to the drama.

In case anyone has had any conclusion confusion (teach me to post when tired and all that good stuff) about my role in all this: I am not a member of the Abuse team; all my involvement in this has been observation and speculation, with a side of asking nosy questions and doing my best to try and figure out what is going on. If I had all the information there is about this, I wouldn't be as bloody confused as I am right now. I seem to not have much information at all.

Don't panic.

I'm'a be over there now, with the hot mint tea and yummy chocolate chip cookies and anime and stuff.

[identity profile] odditypist.livejournal.com 2007-05-30 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
I really don't want this to come across as an "attack" or singling you out, you're just the first person who is directly associated with the LJ staff and the Support board and such things that I've come across and something really is bothering me about the way this is being handled.

Yes, interests lists and keywords are being targeted, and I think this post (http://jamoche.livejournal.com/29516.html) says pretty clearly why a lot of people are having trouble with the idea. It's almost impossible to tell simply by an interests list whether a person truly subscribes to certain things. A lot of people are wtf-ing over communities, like a Spanish one dedicated to the book 'Lolita', being permanently suspended. However, what really concerns me is this, an email sent out by LiveJournal in response to a general query on the situation:

Dear LiveJournal user jamoche,

Material which can be interpreted as expressing interest in, soliciting, or encouraging illegal activity places LiveJournal at considerable legal risk. When journals that contain such material are reported to us, we must suspend them. Because LiveJournal's interests list serves as a search function, and because listing an interest enables other people also interested in a similar topic to gather and/or congregate, we have been advised that listing an interest in an illegal activity must be viewed as using LiveJournal to solicit that illegal activity.

We recognize that many people list these types of interests for shock value, as a method of expressing opposition for these illegal activities, or to indicate fictional activity. Unfortunately, we have no discretion in these cases; if a journal profile is reported to us and contains interests that support illegal activity, we must suspend the journal. Journals, on the other hand, may express or imply interest in illegal activity or express or imply a desire to meet and/or interact with others with similar interests, but only if the journal clearly (1) is in opposition to or condemnation of the illegal activity, (2) does not encourage the illegal activity and (3) is not used in furtherance of any illegal activity.

Regards,

LiveJournal Abuse Team


I know a lot of people who really are feeling up in arms over this, and I think the main problem, or at least a major one, is the Abuse team's assurance that they "have no discretion in these cases"--because in a delicate case like this, discretion is almost mandatory. It's also become obvious that they are suspending due to the interest lists and such ALONE, because roleplay journals that clearly state they are fictional and should not be taken seriously are being taken down for having words such as the ones listed, while many communities and users have realized that as long as they remove any "danger words" from their userinfo and interests, no one's really checking their journal anyway.

Like I said, I'm sorry and I didn't know who else to address... you did state that you have contact with these people and don't have much information, so I figured I could drop you some information and maybe someone out there could get answers or cause a change in the way this is being handled, for the better.

[identity profile] odditypist.livejournal.com 2007-05-30 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
All right, thank you. I will try to find out how to directly contact the Abuse team. I can understand not wanting to get any further tangled up in this mess any further than you are, especially if you've been specifically requested not to. (Though, perhaps they should get a little more "tangled up in it" than they are (http://news.livejournal.com/98960.html)...)