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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2013-08-16 12:53 am

Unfamiliar

In 1998 I hated rap, with all the white-hot contempt in my racist-by-default teenage heart.

Today I caught a reference to Ice-9 in a hip-hop track and caught myself thinking "hey, I wonder if this guy has a show in my area any time soon?" (No. Last week.)

What happened in the interim? A roommate who really liked rap. She introduced me to her favorites, pointing out the joy, the honor, the intricate rhythms, the cunning and transformative use of sampling, and the sometimes unlikely rhymes and wordplay.

She found the best to show me, and shared her love.

Is it my favorite genre now? No. But familiarity has rendered me not a complete asshat on the topic. I went from listening to my roommate's choices and accepting that an authority (someone who liked rap) said that they were good, coming to enjoy them myself, and then gradually feeling the confidence to say "I'm not an expert on the genre, but I enjoyed this." I doubt I'll ever have the expertise to say "I see what this artist was attempting to do, and I admire the attempt, but I feel they fell short in the following ways", in the way that you can sit me down near a violinist playing from the first few Suzuki violin books and I'm likely to be able to tell which notes they got wrong, and whether it was sharp, flat, long, short, or some other issue. I'm all right with that; there are many things in the world, and I have a limited time to develop expertise. I can still enjoy things though!

I am still, and will always be, running headlong into things in the world and in my head and saying to myself, "oh holy fuck that's racist." And, I hope, having the ever-loving self-awareness to not actually act on any horrible things my head is saying. But just not saying actively racist shit doesn't mean I'm not doing racist things. Every time I randomized the radio and stumbled in to rap music and my reaction was "that music is not for people like me" and moved on without bothering to listen to see if I actually had opinions of my own, that was racism. Hard for me to realize at the time, but unmistakably racist.

The internet is quietly helping me learn appreciation for things I never knew before, and with any good luck I can develop a taste for the good bits without revealing my previous shameful attitudes.
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[personal profile] ivorygates 2013-08-16 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
What artists would you recommend? I admit that my tastes run more toward classic folk (Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell Trio, Brothers Four), but there's actually some stuff in my library that postdates 1968.

(Weirdly, this isn't the music I grew up listening to on the radio, which is pretty much a musical generation later. But it's what I gravitate to, so...)
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[personal profile] ivorygates 2013-08-16 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
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[personal profile] ivorygates 2013-08-16 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
Also, my head is now exploding that filk rap exists.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2013-08-21 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Ski enjoy. I'd link you to his page but for some reason my work nannyfilter dislikes it.
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[personal profile] ivorygates 2013-08-22 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. Cool. Thanks.
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[personal profile] siderea 2013-08-16 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
"Design Coding" [...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qMe7Z3EYg

AHAHAHAHAHA. Word up, yo. Testify.

Plus some of it is starting to sound a little dated; I'm not sure that a whole site look designed as one picture in a graphics editor and then sliced is in the current vogue.

Yeah, somebody needs to flip this for css3 and HTML5.
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[personal profile] siderea 2013-08-16 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the ref to "Thou Shalt Always Kill". V. cool.
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[personal profile] synecdochic 2013-08-16 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
I am waaaaay more fond of the hip-hop side than the rap side, but one of my favorite tracks is The Last Trumpet by Lyrics Born and Lateef the Truthspeaker. And I kind of adore everything Michael Franti has ever done, but especially Say Hey (I Love You).
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[personal profile] siderea 2013-08-16 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The Last Trumpet

Where has this been my whole life?
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[personal profile] asciident 2013-08-16 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I like a huge range of hip-hop and rap, but I thought I'd just offer this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E62SZ1CmBOI
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[personal profile] musyc 2013-08-16 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
A former bossmanager thought it was HILARIOUS to compare our music collections. I, the whitest you can get without arsenic paste, had a rap collection. (Free CDs from previous job at Borders, and nobody else wanted rap/hip-hop, all miiiiiiiine!) She, "I hate being called African-American, I'm from Jamaica, I'm BLACK", had the full discography of Neil Diamond, Rod Stewart, and all the other crooner types.

The number of times she'd have us both pop open our libraries so she could have a giggle. XD
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2013-08-21 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really think of Rod Stewart as a crooner. He's not quite Neil Diamond or Barry Manilow...
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[personal profile] elf 2013-08-16 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved "Rapper's Delight" as a child. (Have the LP. Can still recite long sections beginning with "hip hop hibby to the hibbidy hip hip hop" etc, much to my husband's dismay.) Because of that, I never had any hatred for rap itself, although much of what I heard in passing had no appeal for me.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2013-08-21 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always rather liked rap due to its being lyrics-based but most of the stuff in my collection is Japanese because I used to go to the Cooltempo and Orange parties here in SF. A lot of Dragon Ash.

I can't stand reggae though, the rhythms it uses really just irritate me for no reason I can rationally explain. It often hits me in that weird place between slow music that I like and fast music that I like. I don't care for it no matter what language it's in or what race the people who are playing it are; it just bothers me. It was a point of contention between me and one of my eviller exes. :/
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[personal profile] nilo 2013-08-24 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I love, love, love, love, love Grieves. I fall asleep most nights to him.
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[personal profile] pauamma 2013-08-28 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=6408 on the metric structure of rap.