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azurelunatic) wrote2013-09-11 02:29 am
azurelunatic) wrote2013-09-11 02:29 am
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The infovore googles some lyrics
I have a metaphor for a certain kind of infovore vs. non-infovore interaction that involves Mr. The Deathless and a lot of shouting. This is one way I didn't have that interaction tonight.
So tonight's entertainment was a spot of Googling. Doranwen in #yuletide was trying to puzzle out the lyrics to a song: Dies Ire, Elf.
[23:10] <@Doranwen> anyone here good at making out difficult to hear lyrics?
[23:11] <@Doranwen> I've been stumped by this one song for years
[23:12] <@Doranwen> you can't google the words for love or money
[23:12] <@Doranwen> unfortunately the Youtube video that has the song has a version of it with a little more audio clutter, the version I have on my computer is very simple and you can hear the voice clearly--you just can't figure out what on earth he's singing!
[23:12] <@Azz> I am not great at it, but I could give a whack?
[23:14] <@Doranwen> this one's a real challenge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_egMJ73DeeM
[23:14] <@Doranwen> I get words here and there . . . and then it starts to sound like German--I'm pretty sure it's English, just sung a little funny
Listening to it on YouTube was only slightly helpful. Googling about for what I thought the lyrics might be (several iterations), also not helpful. I did get a lot of "Dies Irae", so I hit up the wikipedia page to see if it looked like it might be the same thing, but the words in no way matched, and it sounded different.
I tried adding "Maeve", because it sounded like it might maybe be Irish.
This time, a different YouTube video, and the song was clearer; more importantly, it had an album cover. I googled the name of the album, and found that the band name was Dies Ire, which meant that "Elf" was the song.
I shared my results back with Doranwen, who sounded fairly discouraged. Having learned in the past that continuing to press a search while reporting back to someone who sounds that frustrated and yet resigned about it turns into painful scenes where people shout the equivalent of "I DON'T CARE IF HE WERE KOSCHEI THE TRIPLE DEATHLESS AND YOU BROUGHT BACK NOT JUST HIS HEART BUT THE HEARTS AND RINGPIECES OF HIS ENTIRE BOWLING LEAGUE, THE OFFER IS WITHDRAWN! NO ONE IS GETTING ANYONE'S HAND IN MARRIAGE, TODAY OR ANY OTHER DAY!" I proceeded to shut up about my progress. I was on the trail, but no one else needed to know until I succeeded -- or if I failed, not a soul would ever know.
Maeve failed to find anything good, so I dropped it.
One of the reviews of the album dropped the detail that the band was Italian, which explained the accent; I figured that maybe Googling for Italian lyrics sites would help me.
I don't speak a word of Italian (other than a few musical and kitchen terms) but I didn't let that stop me. My next stop was Google Translate. By this time my computer was getting cranky with me. Google Translate gave me "testi", so I added that to the band name and song.
That pulled up a lyrics site which did not have the lyrics, but did have what sounded like the entire album. It also had the word "testo" repeated all over it, which looked singular. I ran it back through Google Translate, accepted the correction, and tried that.
This yielded me the fan Orkut page for the band. I was very excited until I saw that it had sixteen members and did not seem to be official. What it did have was a link to the band's website.
My browser balked halfway through loading the rather egregious placeholder page that some domain shark had slapped up. Dead end.
Or ... was it?
I smacked the browser a few times and finally got it headed to archive.org, where I plugged the domain name in and hoped.
I went for the earliest records, because that was likely to have the goods; I could try later if it was unsatisfactory, but the latest caches were likely to just have the parked page.
Ugh. Images from the website had not been cached, and these fuckers had failed to alt-text them. There was a welcome page with a broken image where a sword had been, apparently, from the instructions to click the sword to enter. Once inside, all the navigation was images. Ugh.
I hovered over each image to reveal the link destination. No lyrics page. I snarled to myself about bands with websites who don't have lyrics pages. Thus foiled, I commenced going down each of the side pages in turn.
Eventually I came to the discography, where I was delighted to eventually spot a link to one side about the lyrics page! So exciting!
It loaded.
[23:51] <@Azz> OH YOU BASTARDS IF YOUR LYRICS WERE IMAGES I AM GOING TO HATE YOUR DEAD BAND FOREVER
So much for not updating until the search was successful.
[23:56] <@Azz> "completely ungoogleable" is one of those "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED" things for me
[23:57] <@Azz> and I like beating on a problem from as many angles as I can think of until it cracks and the sweet candy inside spills out
[23:57] <@Azz> or, you know, beetles
[23:57] <@Azz> sometimes it's beetles
I growled, I grumbled, and I tried inspect-element. I got a load of nonsense. Puzzled, I tried selecting from the (entirely black) page so I could maybe see where my cursor lit up a bit.
Words appeared, words that weren't in the bit of source I was looking at.
I highlighted the whole page. I saw everything.
[00:01] <@Azz> OH MY GOD.
[00:01] <@Azz> OH MY GOD.
[00:01] <@Azz> IT WAS JUST A BACKGROUND IMAGE
Success.
[00:05] <@Azz> http://web.archive.org/web/20021024121152/http://www.diesire.com/lyrics.htm
So tonight's entertainment was a spot of Googling. Doranwen in #yuletide was trying to puzzle out the lyrics to a song: Dies Ire, Elf.
[23:10] <@Doranwen> anyone here good at making out difficult to hear lyrics?
[23:11] <@Doranwen> I've been stumped by this one song for years
[23:12] <@Doranwen> you can't google the words for love or money
[23:12] <@Doranwen> unfortunately the Youtube video that has the song has a version of it with a little more audio clutter, the version I have on my computer is very simple and you can hear the voice clearly--you just can't figure out what on earth he's singing!
[23:12] <@Azz> I am not great at it, but I could give a whack?
[23:14] <@Doranwen> this one's a real challenge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_egMJ73DeeM
[23:14] <@Doranwen> I get words here and there . . . and then it starts to sound like German--I'm pretty sure it's English, just sung a little funny
Listening to it on YouTube was only slightly helpful. Googling about for what I thought the lyrics might be (several iterations), also not helpful. I did get a lot of "Dies Irae", so I hit up the wikipedia page to see if it looked like it might be the same thing, but the words in no way matched, and it sounded different.
I tried adding "Maeve", because it sounded like it might maybe be Irish.
This time, a different YouTube video, and the song was clearer; more importantly, it had an album cover. I googled the name of the album, and found that the band name was Dies Ire, which meant that "Elf" was the song.
I shared my results back with Doranwen, who sounded fairly discouraged. Having learned in the past that continuing to press a search while reporting back to someone who sounds that frustrated and yet resigned about it turns into painful scenes where people shout the equivalent of "I DON'T CARE IF HE WERE KOSCHEI THE TRIPLE DEATHLESS AND YOU BROUGHT BACK NOT JUST HIS HEART BUT THE HEARTS AND RINGPIECES OF HIS ENTIRE BOWLING LEAGUE, THE OFFER IS WITHDRAWN! NO ONE IS GETTING ANYONE'S HAND IN MARRIAGE, TODAY OR ANY OTHER DAY!" I proceeded to shut up about my progress. I was on the trail, but no one else needed to know until I succeeded -- or if I failed, not a soul would ever know.
Maeve failed to find anything good, so I dropped it.
One of the reviews of the album dropped the detail that the band was Italian, which explained the accent; I figured that maybe Googling for Italian lyrics sites would help me.
I don't speak a word of Italian (other than a few musical and kitchen terms) but I didn't let that stop me. My next stop was Google Translate. By this time my computer was getting cranky with me. Google Translate gave me "testi", so I added that to the band name and song.
That pulled up a lyrics site which did not have the lyrics, but did have what sounded like the entire album. It also had the word "testo" repeated all over it, which looked singular. I ran it back through Google Translate, accepted the correction, and tried that.
This yielded me the fan Orkut page for the band. I was very excited until I saw that it had sixteen members and did not seem to be official. What it did have was a link to the band's website.
My browser balked halfway through loading the rather egregious placeholder page that some domain shark had slapped up. Dead end.
Or ... was it?
I smacked the browser a few times and finally got it headed to archive.org, where I plugged the domain name in and hoped.
I went for the earliest records, because that was likely to have the goods; I could try later if it was unsatisfactory, but the latest caches were likely to just have the parked page.
Ugh. Images from the website had not been cached, and these fuckers had failed to alt-text them. There was a welcome page with a broken image where a sword had been, apparently, from the instructions to click the sword to enter. Once inside, all the navigation was images. Ugh.
I hovered over each image to reveal the link destination. No lyrics page. I snarled to myself about bands with websites who don't have lyrics pages. Thus foiled, I commenced going down each of the side pages in turn.
Eventually I came to the discography, where I was delighted to eventually spot a link to one side about the lyrics page! So exciting!
It loaded.
[23:51] <@Azz> OH YOU BASTARDS IF YOUR LYRICS WERE IMAGES I AM GOING TO HATE YOUR DEAD BAND FOREVER
So much for not updating until the search was successful.
[23:56] <@Azz> "completely ungoogleable" is one of those "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED" things for me
[23:57] <@Azz> and I like beating on a problem from as many angles as I can think of until it cracks and the sweet candy inside spills out
[23:57] <@Azz> or, you know, beetles
[23:57] <@Azz> sometimes it's beetles
I growled, I grumbled, and I tried inspect-element. I got a load of nonsense. Puzzled, I tried selecting from the (entirely black) page so I could maybe see where my cursor lit up a bit.
Words appeared, words that weren't in the bit of source I was looking at.
I highlighted the whole page. I saw everything.
[00:01] <@Azz> OH MY GOD.
[00:01] <@Azz> OH MY GOD.
[00:01] <@Azz> IT WAS JUST A BACKGROUND IMAGE
Success.
[00:05] <@Azz> http://web.archive.org/web/20021024121152/http://www.diesire.com/lyrics.htm
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If Virtual Hammer ever gives you up, for whatever reason, the library and archive professions want you and your skillset.
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I enjoyed my time in the library in middle school.
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(There goes my night.... ;) )
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If one night is all it eats, you're lucky.
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Please always test the readability of your page both with and without the background image you're using. If the actual background doesn't contrast sufficiently with the text, you're doing it wrong.
Test with the style sheets not loading. Simulate this if necessary by renaming the style sheets.
Test while missing the font you've picked out.