Assumptions, baking

[azurelunatic]

... I believe that two of my friends have invented an entire spouse for a third friend (all former co-workers of mine) on the strength of baking.

Specifically, the colleague very occasionally brings meat pies in. And he was going to bring some in at some future point, but he moved continents before it happened. And his wife bakes them.

I was certain that no such entity exists, and that the man does his own baking.

The guys and I haven't synchronously discussed it, and they're not even quite sure on gender, and they barely hear of "her"...

I shall have to inquire.

But as things stand, two of the better informed and well intentioned feminist dudes I know believe that someone else bakes for a certain man...

Comments

[miss_s_b]

My dad makes the best hot water crust pork pies.

[azurelunatic]

That sounds delicious.

[siliconshaman]

Reverse sexism is still sexism... men can bake too. [and yeah, I'm not bad at making pies also.]

[siderea]

How is it "reverse" sexism to believe no guy would cook because cooking is women's work?

[siliconshaman]

well, no it's not if that's the case, but it's reverse if the belief is that no guy could or would cook... and default from there to someone else did it.

I suppose it could be taken either way...and still be just as wrong.

[siderea]

"Reverse sexism" is the notion of deprecatory beliefs about and discrimination against men that consolidate the supposed power and authority women have over men.

Are you sure that's the term you want to be using?

[siliconshaman]

Huh... that's not the definition I've heard... but ok, call it inverted sexism. I.e the deprecatory beliefs and discrimination against men, based on negative stereotypes of same. [you know the ones, simple minded, emotionally retarded and constipated, inept and clueless about everything but 'manly' things... etc etcetce.]

[siderea]

you know the ones, simple minded, emotionally retarded and constipated, inept and clueless about everything but 'manly' things... etc etcetce.

I've never felt the need to have a different term than "sexism" for that, and am a little touchy about the idea that it's not just sexism.

My friends and I have taken to calling a local burger joint that indulges in "jokey" gross masculinity policing on its menu "SexistBurger". It seemed the obvious name for it.

[siliconshaman]

Understood, and frankly I'd probably call it that too. But I got upbraided for 'appropriating' the term once, so I decided to qualify it/

[siderea]

Oh, kids these days.

I don't think qualifying it would molify those who object to using "sexism" to refer to stereotyping men; they generally seem to not want to grant that stereotyping men is a problem, at all.

One can sometimes shut those sort up by contending that all stereotyping of men in our society serves to bolster male supremacism and the oppression of women. Which is true. It's not the only reason doing bad things to men that hurt men is wrong (duh), but where empathy and justice fail, sometimes an appeal to enlightened self-interest works.

[vass]

You know what they say about assumptions, they make delicious meat pies.

Wait, no, something else.

[birke]

That made me smile.

[azurelunatic]

Mrs. Lovett's meat pies
Savoury and sweet pies

[siderea]

I'm struck how there's been, apparently, no conversation between the assumers and the person providing the culinary largesse about who the benefactor is. Like, "These pies are great! What's your recipe?" or "Gosh, these are good. Are they hard to make?" or even "These are outstanding! Did you make them yourself?"

[konsectatrix]

Yeah, that's what struck me. If they'd taken a few seconds to actually remark on the pies at the time this could've been cleared up immediately. This plan of action also includes potential added side benefit of being able to make oneself delicious pies when the source of the pies is cut off.

[jecook]

Mmm... pies... *drools* /homer

*goes and googles "meat pies" to see if there's a way to use up the pie shells in the freezer or if they are just bad*

[jecook]

... Sad panda- the pie crusts were bad. OH well, probably better buying fresh ones anyway.

[azurelunatic]

Mmmm, meat pies in fresh pastry!

[sithjawa]

Now I want to make myself some meat pies.



even if it's unmanly

[azurelunatic]

But, it's meat!

[sithjawa]

Maybe if I cook the meat pies outside over an open flame?

[azurelunatic]

Rawr. Such masc. Wow.