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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2005-06-18 02:01 am

Witchery at work

There's a lady who works dayshift who looks exactly as I'll probably look twenty-five years from now. We have the same general body type, features, hair color, hair style, and cheerful outlook on life. Since we share a desk (she has the desk in the morning, I have the desk in the evening) on weekdays I do check-in, we've gotten to know each other somewhat, and we get along swimmingly.

She has a teenage (early teenage, it sounds like) daughter. The daughter's evidently expressed a teenage-rebellion interest in witchcraft.

"Does she know how much work it takes to be a witch?" I asked.

Evidently not.

Evidence suggests that said teen may be casting spells at or about "the plastics" -- the fakey-fakey clique girls infesting the high school. I gave some tips on redirecting her energies into something more productive, ie, not shooting herself in the foot by cursing the bitches, but rather trying to get some kindness and enlightenment into their narrow little lives. The worst she can really go with that, at least, is having kindness and enlightenment thrust unwillingly into her own life, and if things do work as planned, maybe they'll stop being such utter bitches.

I told my elder clone to have the kid search up "the threefold law", and told her I'd be perfectly happy to check out some of the websites the kid was talking about that her friends had linked her to, to make sure the sites are on the up-and-up and are ethically sound.

If it's this kid's true calling, I'll be happy to point her in a good direction. If it's not her true calling, better she find out so sooner rather than later, and at the hands of someone with good intentions and a willingness to treat dumbass kids with both patience and firmness rather than at the hands of someone of dubious ethical background and/or a more scorched-earth approach to clearing up misconceptions.

Methinks I'd better get that Magicgeeking 101 whipped into shape pronto.

Any more suggestions for things I should include in a base-level magicgeeking document that is intended to strike Clue into the hearts of clueless teenagers, and defuse the paranoias of parents who don't know jack about assorted witchery?

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 10:45 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't had a chance to read it (don't hit me, I know it's a pagan standard) but one of my friends reccommends "Uncle Bucky's Big Blue Book", better known as that big blue one by Raymond Buckland, as a general primer. It's got to be better than "the teen witch kit"

[identity profile] bekijane.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
Nooooo! Uncle Bucky's "let's make it all up and pretend I have a family tradition spanning centuries and know super sekrets that I won't tell you because you're not 1337 enough" I'm Scottish. What that Man says about Scottish Trads is totall and utter mince. Complete rubbish. He's just wrong!

The teen witch kit is pretty bad yes, it's a strange eclectic hodge podge of Wicca with her own blend of stuff that she says is based on her local Coven's traditions. But it does thump home the threefold law and common sense. TRASB does the same thing.

I have a little more insight into all these books. a) I've read them b) I'm a Witch with a near teen daughter. I wouldn't give her the BBB. I did give her the teen witch kit, long before she was a teen, and with instructions to read pro-actively. Not just to accept what she read, but to question it and work through whether she agreed with what it said and more importantly why.

She's progressed through all of the SRW books, pulling out what she agreed with and rejecting what she considers rubish. She's nearly ready for the Farrar's Witch's Bible and she's 12.

Love the Ravenwolf or loath her you can't get past the solid common sense underneath the fluffiness. And I'm one of the least fluffy Witches I know.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
There is fluff under Ravenwolf work... but can you really guarantee a third party teenager will be able to find it?
Good to know about Buckland. The guy who reccommended it to me was Alexandrian (aka really enjoys books with that elitist, as you put it "l33t enough" feel) I love the man dearly, but it seems to be the common thread in some of his book reccomendations.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
And to correct the first part of that comment (this is what i get for doing lj while sleep deprived and before caffeine) I said "There is fluff under ravenwolf work". What I meant to say was "There's solid stuff under the fluff in Ravenwolf work"

[identity profile] bekijane.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Having taken three steps back and really thought about it there's nothing I'd recommend a random teenager reading without guidance on top.

Even if I were to write my own I'd get slammed just as hard as SRW - she just can't win. I say she's fluffy someone else in the same journal entry says she doesn't concentrate on the threefold law enough. The thing is that you can't please everybody all of the time - especially not Pagans.

Teen witch I'm not pushing, it's not aimed at *teens* anyway - it's for a much younger audience. To give to a random teen I'd still say TRASB with added 101 "pinch of salt" in a personal letter. And with the permission of the parents an open invitation to come talk about it. But then that's what I do *shrugs*.

[identity profile] bekijane.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry. To Ride A Silver Broomstick

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Bad experiences with the Alexandrians? You've never mentioned this. Pray tell?
Burt's a decent guy, he just has the classic Alexandrian stick up the ass. His discordian roommate and I have declared it our intention to yank it out.
Thus far we've discovered that miracles can be accomplished with strategically placed lizards. If you happen to have any more ideas in that regard, we would appreciate it. We're running out of ideas and want to stick to our central lizard theme.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The first one involved leaving an overturned small reptile carrying case outside his door, with the following note:

Dear Burt,
we're very sorry about the lizard. We managed to trap it in your room, but couldn't get it out. Please be very careful. We need him for Monday.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It should be mentioned that three months later we left an identical note on his door and a giant stuffed lizard covering his bed. (We saw it in a free bin and couldn't resist)
We found a realistic one of those fake lizards that blows up in water. the first thing he does every morning is shower, so we were going to leave it there. Unfortunately, he caught us soaking it the night before in Sam's closet to inflate it.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the way your mind works.
We were also considering the refrigerator.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
But wouldn't it be cruel to get his hopes up like that?

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-19 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
And this is why I love you.
Btw, if you know any Alexandrian jokes, we're always looking for new ones to use on him. He actually does laugh at them.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-19 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
*snicker*
He's a proffessional cook, and is incredibly anal-retentive about the cleanliness of his home kitchen. The spilled flour alone would make him have a heart attack... let alone small animal tracks through it.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-19 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh.... that's a thought.
I should get some of those lizards with suction cup feet and have Sam decorate the ceiling above his bed while he's out...

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
... and you have not mentioned the homophobic viking. Can I sic my highly queer viking sweetheart on him?

[identity profile] teenagewitch.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Viking? the walksalone type or someoneelse?

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
walksalone? eh?
If you've been following my lj you know I'm presently romantically involved. My dear darling Sven has learned that if you're 6'4" and a well-muscled Scandinavian, nobody dares get homophobic with you.
There's nothing like a big wall of viking walking up behind junior high boys making homophobic commentary and informing them that if they continue, he might get offended. They shut up. quick.

[identity profile] teenagewitch.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
lol, I wonder what he could do in my husbands church, thier all afraid of gays

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-19 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, he could do miracles with them.
He has that aura that only guys who actually know how to swordfight have, with that air of niftiness that you get from forging your own sword. All in all, he comes off quite intimidating.
Of course, it helps that he wears all black everywhere, with this big hat that has a habit of falling down and covering up just one eye.

[identity profile] onyxrising.livejournal.com 2005-06-19 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
That's kinda funny. Almost all the Alexandrian guys I've met in portland are flamingly, flamingly gay.
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[personal profile] moniqueleigh 2005-06-19 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Butting into the convo: Yep, Jim Morrison was the Lizard King.

[identity profile] firefly-124.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I know I just saw someone recommend a good book for teens, recently, but I can't seem to find the post, or remember the title. I'm not fond of Ravenwolf's Teen Witch - she really seems to contradict herself on ethics several times and includes some rather nasty folk magic that it sounds like this youngun would be tempted to try on "the plastics." I've put a query out at The Thicket (http://forums.delphiforums.com/thicket), which is where I think I saw the recommendation, or else it was in the LJ of one of the regulars there. I think. So once I have the title and author, I'll pass them along.

[identity profile] teenagewitch.livejournal.com 2005-06-18 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I agree that most stuff out there is either beyond her or seriously full of crap. What I would give her( bieng a mom myself) is: Elements of Witchcraft: Natural Magic for Teens, By
Ellen Dugan. She's a mom of three and I think that she can give more insight to both the mom and the daughter. Theres alot of basics that help to explain that its more than spellcasting and riding brooms. Hope this helps!

[identity profile] firefly-124.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
It's Elements of Witchcraft by Ellen Dugan. I've not read it myself, but the person who recommended it is someone I know and trust, and the author of this online witchcraft course (http://www.annwnscauldron.com/temple/lessons.html), though I don't think she takes younger teens for it.

[identity profile] firefly-124.livejournal.com 2005-06-21 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Bwahaha! I should've read what comments had come in since the last time I read this thread, rather than click straight in to reply from the email notification. Then I'd have seen someone already suggested it! LOL