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Azure Jane Lunatic (Azz) 🌺 ([personal profile] azurelunatic) wrote2011-05-06 09:26 pm

I exist, and I exist in many universes. (Yet another rant about queer erasure)

[personal profile] shirozora recently posted about how default heterosexuality (particularly in the Disney property Tron) unnerved her in a fashion she couldn't examine too closely, and I put my finger square on the problem. From my comment:
I don't like the feeling that in some universes, I would not exist because I am bisexual, because in those universes, everyone is heterosexual unless they are the Designated Gay. In some universes, it is not canonically okay for some characters to be quietly and discreetly gay, or quietly bisexual, or quietly asexual, and g-d forbid anyone actually be TRANSGENDERED. And that is not okay with me. I would not want to live in such a universe, but it overjoys the fuck out of me to go around queering up these universes so WE CAN EXIST.

Some default-heterosexual universes don't have anyone who is Designated Gay. I wouldn't exist there. My sister wouldn't exist there. Most of you guys wouldn't exist there. My best friend might exist there, but he'd have never met me, because I wouldn't exist. Dreamwidth wouldn't exist. Large parts of LiveJournal wouldn't exist.

Having a wildly disproportionately small number of Designated Gays sometimes feels worse. It's harder to pretend that anybody who might be one of us is just quietly closeted and not coming out to be stared at and bullied and beaten and killed. There are a few of us, and they might represent some of us, but they don't represent all of us, and maybe we don't even like them. Albus and Gellert don't even get main-text, they get subtext and an offhand post-series interview mention. (And I don't like either of them.) Pretty much everyone else gets an opposite-sex relationship plastered on.

I exist. Some universes are better. Jamie Crawford exists, and so do Kurt and Blaine and Santana and Brittany, and Aral and ... and Ethan and his whole damn planet. Jamie goes around being loudly fucking fabulous and daring people to make something of it.

Silence = Death. If fictional people are silenced by their authors, then fuck yeah, we're marching right the fuck in and giving them voices.
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[personal profile] niqaeli 2011-05-07 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this.

Even when there are some queer people, they don't have queer friends. There's never communities. Which, just. I know a fucking lot of queer people. I have no idea if the 1-in-10 statistic that gets tossed around so very fucking much has any validity but I can tell you that self-selection of social circle certainly means that queer people hang out with the other queer people (that they like) that they find.

I choose queer readings when there are other possible readings (and when they differ with the Clearly Intended Reading) not because I insist everyone be queer but that I insist that anyone could be. AND GOD DAMN IT QUEER PEOPLE EXIST.

I will not be erased; I will simply sing louder until you cannot ignore my voice.
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[personal profile] niqaeli 2011-05-07 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
Fandom is my queer community. Fanfiction is a way I seek fellowship and to carve a place for myself and my friends in all the universes out there. *nods firmly*
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[personal profile] cadenzamuse 2011-05-08 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Yup. This.

I have my 2/3 straight, 1/3 queer church community, which is nice but difficult because nearly everyone there is at least 20 years older than me (and the fact that my partner is a man means that a large chunk of them probably still don't know that I'm queer).

Nearly everywhere else IRL I'm the token queer friend. (This is changing. I swear. The whole partnered-to-a-man thing is making me kick my butt into getting involved with the GLBT alumni organization at my alma mater.) Or I run in college theater circles where it's me and two much-more-monosexual queer boys.

So fandom is where I get to hang out with people who Get It.
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[personal profile] majoline 2011-05-07 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
1-in-10 statistic

I think this is just another BS statistic taken as fact because otherwise there are a disproportionate number of queer people moving to Mississippi.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just flung about because it sounds low and is therefore reassuring to prejudiced people who would like queers to not exist.

We exist. And we're not going away and there are a lot of us! Suck it up, stupid people.

Via metafandom

[identity profile] countess-baltar.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea if the 1-in-10 statistic that gets tossed around so very fucking much has any validity but I can tell you that self-selection of social circle certainly means that queer people hang out with the other queer people (that they like) that they find.

Start here for some (unscientific) stats:

http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N49/graphics/survey-samesex_course.html

Hint: CMS = Comparative Media Studies

I love all the "I shall not be silenced" and then having to jump through all sorts of hoops to make a simple comment...which may or may not make it to the general readership because (in this case) comment "will be screened".

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Re: Via metafandom

[personal profile] niqaeli 2011-05-13 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
This is not my journal space; the choice of how to set up comments in her space is [personal profile] azurelunatic's. Within my own spaces, I permit unscreened anonymous comments because I recognise that many people do find OpenID cumbersome. However, I'm fortunate that no one has ever abused anonymous commenting in my space.

If you care to post with your OpenID here in the future, you may wish to set and confirm your email address; the Dreamwidth infrastructure will recognise you as a valid account rather than classing your OpenID with anonymous postings.
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[personal profile] arkeiryn 2011-05-07 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
Santana and Brittany? Is this femmeslash, or is this Glee canon I haven't seen? (I really need to watch more Glee, don't I?)

I have to admit, though, I don't remember Tron being distinctly hetero-centric. (Are we talking about the original or the remake/sequel here? I haven't seen the former in a long time.)
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[personal profile] jd 2011-05-08 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
That storyline develops in season 2, yeah. Can't remember which episodes specifically but at least by 2x04.
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[personal profile] longmagpieroads 2011-05-09 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this.

SO much this.

[personal profile] imagines 2011-05-17 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
Fucking. This.

And it's a big part of why I write fic and play in fandom. Authors and TPTB don't wanna give me queer characters? FUCK YOU, EVERYONE'S QUEER NOW. AND THEY LIKE IT.

Even my conservative, evangelical, gays-are-going-to-hell mother knows at least two queer people, and those are just the ones who are out that I know about. There's no excuse, dear people-who-create-stories. There is no excuse at ALL.

...and oh hello, this is why Children of Earth pissed me off so badly, isn't it? [vague Torchwood spoiler coming up!] Because there IS a Designated Gay, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE HIM.

How many major characters are in Harry Potter? Even with the 1-in-10 stat, that is a hell of a lot of gay characters, without even taking into consideration bi/heteroflexible/otherwise-queer characters.

Not to mention trans* people. Oh. My. God. I can think of a few books that have trans* characters. All of them are about what it is like to be trans*. And that is NOT A BAD THING. I love these books. But where are they they rest of the time? Where are they when they're not a plot point? Where are they when they're treated like normal fucking human beings? Where are the people who are LIKE ME? Because I exist in all my genderfucked, queer glory, and I am not the only one, and I am tired of other people writing about people like me as if I'm a) invisible/not real or b) THE ENTIRE PLOT.

RAHR.

...I'm suddenly inspired to go write. Heh. Thank you. I love this post a whole lot.
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[personal profile] rabid_bookwyrm 2012-06-05 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
I know this post is, like, 1,000,000 internet-years old, but I wanted to say - And Donno! Donno Vorrutyer, cannon trans-person!

And not trans just to be part of a Very Special Episode - his decisions are thoroughly embedded within the culture of Barrayar and its evolution with respect to the greater galactic cultures.

[identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com 2011-05-07 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
You would totally exist in Shayara; we all would. Just so's you know!

[identity profile] blackjackrocket.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
I have to say, reading that post, it seemed to be more about fandom's interpretation of characters than the Tron canon itself, given that she cites only one canon pairing in the actual movie. There's a pretty big difference between there being an intent among the filmmakers and there being a net among fans.